bush administration. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> james bamford, we heard earlier this gwen's discussion about new revelations what, do you think of those and what do they tell us about this role of the fisa court? >> these new revelations are really an expansive look at a much more expansive eavesdropping capability. we looked before at the telephone and the e-mail. now, this is pretty much the internet. and it's very worrisome in the sense that people when they communicate on the internet are communicating basically their thoughts, their deepest thoughts in their minds a lot of times. their thoughts sometimes that they don't want to share with anybody else. if you have this megacollection that's going oagain, it raises will the question of what oversight is there and what checks and balances are there? we didn't see there were very many checks and balances on the other systems. and maybe the same thing applies here. >> brown: we'll walk through some of those issues, but first, generally, wha